The New Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Rendered

"Road Magazine" (roadmag)
06/04/2014 at 12:15 • Filed to: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG, Mercedes-Benz

We have a great new exclusive, this time, it's the all-new Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG!

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The new lower-displacement engine will replace the current 5.5-liter twin-turbocharged V8 that most AMG's possess. For those who don't know, the new 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 is currently codenamed 'M177 and is capable of producing around 480 – 580 hp depending on what the customer orders. The new 4.0-liter twin-turbo V8 is predicted to produce between 480 hp and an incredible 580 hp depending on what specification is ordered. It will then be mated to the 7G-MCT SpeedShift automatic transmission currently used in a selection of other AMG models.

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DISCUSSION (62)

Manuél Ferrari > Road Magazine
06/03/2014 at 18:45

Does this mean no DCT?

If so Y U NO DCT Mercedes?

Road Magazine > Manuél Ferrari
06/03/2014 at 18:49

As much as we want it, it seems the DCT will only be available for the AMG GT and other hardcore AMG's.

Manuél Ferrari > Road Magazine
06/03/2014 at 18:55

Arghhhh. That's a real bummer. The M3 comes in stick or DCT. The new C63 AMG will have the better engine but the worse transmission.

I gusta my M3 but I like to see competition. Maybe GM will make an ATS-V with a DCT one day.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Manuél Ferrari
06/04/2014 at 00:03

I always wonder this too.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Road Magazine
06/04/2014 at 00:03

CLA/GLA/A45 AMG's all get DCT.

Manuél Ferrari > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
06/04/2014 at 00:46

That's true. Can't be that hard to do at this point.

Road Magazine > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
06/04/2014 at 05:13

Yep, it's available for those but that's a totally different engine.

macanamera > Road Magazine
06/04/2014 at 12:31

Is the 4.0 supposed to replace the 5.5 M157 in the larger AMG models like the E, CLS, and S? That seems odd, an S63 with a 4.0? A smaller engine than an S550?

spanfucker retire bitch > Manuél Ferrari
06/04/2014 at 13:01

To be honest, MB's DCT sucks. Everytime I read a review about an AMG vehicle with the DCT installed it's nothing but complaints about the transmission.

Manuél Ferrari > spanfucker retire bitch
06/04/2014 at 13:19

Very interesting. I hadn't read any reviews yet. This explains why they're not using it in the C63.

I had just assumed that it was good because I never really hear about crappy DCTs. While not every luxury car company's DCT is as good as PDK they all seem to work fairly well. The DCT in the M3 works well enough and the DCT in the Audi R8 gets good reviews.

I guess Mercedes didn't invest enough R&D time into perfecting their DCT.

spanfucker retire bitch > Manuél Ferrari
06/04/2014 at 13:31

MB's DCT is the only dual-clutch tranny I know of that is a poorly reviewed wet-clutch DCT.

Nearly every poorly reviewed DCT that I've read was always dry-clutch, like the ones from Ford, Hyundai, and Fiat/Alfa/Dodge. But, while all of the Germans (BMW, MBW and VAG) tend to use wet-clutch DCTs, MB seems to be the first and only one to produce a really poorly reviewed wet-clutch DCT.

Manuél Ferrari > spanfucker retire bitch
06/04/2014 at 13:38

That is baffling. They're using the right setup yet getting bad reviews.

Did they build it themselves or work with a partner like everyone else did?

spanfucker retire bitch > Manuél Ferrari
06/04/2014 at 13:53

That I don't know. I'm not sure what engineering intricacies went into MB's DCT, but all of the reviews I've read have complained about the jittery shifting nature at low speed and the fact that even when using the pedals, the shifts aren't instant and take a while to actually down-shift or upshift. Even in its most sporting mode.

Manuél Ferrari > spanfucker retire bitch
06/04/2014 at 14:15

How odd. It's almost like a cross between a slushbox and a single clutch sequential. It has the negative qualities of both.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Road Magazine
06/04/2014 at 23:36

True, but the point is that it isn't just hard core AMG's getting getting the DCT, they are using it in lower end vehicles as well.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > spanfucker retire bitch
06/04/2014 at 23:46

Are you confusing the MCT with the DCT? I've only heard poor reviews on the MCT aside from the slow shift response. It isn't that the MB DCT shifts slowly, it doesn't, it is very fast when it does finally shift, it is just that it doesn't always respond instantly to paddle commands. I'm not saying it's the best on the market by any means, but I wouldn't say it's bad. Nor have I felt any jitteriness driving one. Don't know if you're aware or not, but MB only uses the DCT in the FWD based vehicles and SLS right now. And the one in the SLS is mounted at the rear axle so it can't be easily fitted to other models.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Manuél Ferrari
06/04/2014 at 23:46

To my knowledge MB builds all of they're own transmissions.

Manuél Ferrari > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
06/05/2014 at 01:27

That's what I've heard. Maybe they should suck up their pride and work with Getrag or someone else for the DCTs

spanfucker retire bitch > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
06/05/2014 at 07:05

Well considering the reviews I read, regarding the DCT were the SLS and the CLA45 - yeah, I'm quite certain it's the DCT. And it doesn't matter how fast the gear actually shifts, if it's slow to respond to the paddle commands. That's really disingenuous to state it like that.

"Oh sure, it takes almost a second for it to finally react to the downshift paddle, but when it does, whoa boy, watch out!"

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > spanfucker retire bitch
06/05/2014 at 09:52

Haha, that's true. Although, for those of us who don't ever drive in manual mode it will never be an issue. At least it doesn't flat out ignore driver shift requests like the new S-class does.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/06/2014 at 00:06

They can't even DCT. Not sure why.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/06/2014 at 01:13

They sabotage it cause Benz loves the slushbox

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/06/2014 at 01:53

They seem to be able to build the world's best torque-converter planetary gearboxes but have a hard time building a twin clutch box...hopefully soon they'll have one ready.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/06/2014 at 11:49

They can make the best F1 power train in the world right now but not a good DCT for a road car. So funny...

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/06/2014 at 12:56

I just imagine a bunch of angry German men in Affalterbach standing around a BMW DCT and trying to figure out why they can't make something like it.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/06/2014 at 15:06

Seriously!

My E90's DCT is one of the first (if not the first) DCTs that BMW offered. It catches some flak from some people for being jerky in low gears. But I am totally happy with it. It may not be as silky smooth as PDK but it's still a lot smoother than SMG.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/06/2014 at 16:44

I've heard now in the M5 and M6 it's pretty much perfect. They've really nailed it

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/06/2014 at 16:49

Can't wait to drive one.

I checked out the interior of the M5 at the BMW dealer the other day. I had never paid attention to the interior before. My lord is it nice.

BMW can do more with the M5's interior than they can with the M3's interior not just because it costs more. It's a bigger car so there is more space to work with. The flow of the dash and iDrive screen is nice.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/06/2014 at 16:55

I agree...the interior is very nice. I was in an M6 Gran Coupe, and was blown away. The materials are excellent, especially with full leather. I would never need anything nicer that's for sure.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/06/2014 at 16:58

All we need now is millions upon millions of dollars so we can have a guard gated hanger to store a bunch of cool cars that we bought.

I'll get the M5 and you can get the M6 GC. Or both.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 12:29

That's what I was thinking....this is of course going to happen

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 12:34

Make it happen soon. I just got an email about a used FF for sale for a tad over $200K. Seems like a good deal.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 12:38

Ohhh wow. Thats an extremely good deal. I would jump on that if I was you...I'm a terrible influence :p

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 12:40

I wish...

I think I've selected the future car. F430 Spider 6MT.

hopefully I can make it happen by next year. Good thing I don't have the money now because there isn't a single one for sale I like. There are almost none for sale period.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 12:47

Oh yeah those are almost impossible to find...by the time you actually find one you'll likely have saved enough to get one and an FF because by then FFs will be at about 150k haha

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 12:49

they used to be easy to find!

But now they're all gone

Still easier to find then the 599 6MT. I've seen one of those for sale ever

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 13:11

There's a guy on Ferrarichat who claims to have the last manual 599 (and also last 599 period) ever built...I wish I was rich so I could buy it from him. Also there seems to be a rumor going around that just a few GTOs were made with manuals...I almost refuse to believe it because it's too good to be true.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 13:47

That is awesome. That guy is lucky. He probably won't sell it.

I never heard about the manual GTOs. But this reminds me about something - a couple years ago I saw a 16M for sale on AutoTrader. It had a stick and said it was the only one ever made.

I should have taken a screen shot of the ad. I can't find any mention of this car since then. I wonder if it was real.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 14:44

Are you serious?! Oh my god....that would be potentially the coolest car ever made. A manual 16M....I'd actually start selling body parts to get that. Now it seems like there's some research to do...

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 14:47

Totally serious!

Let me know if you can find any mention of it. I've tried doing research and can't find any info on it.

I wish I could go back in time. I would have found a way to finance it. It would be the coolest car ever.

It looked like a 16M and was priced like a 16M. And the ad clearly said that it was a special ordered 16M and the only in existence. It would be easy to know if fake because you can't fake the engine.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 14:49

Hmmm. I will see if I can find some information on it, although it will likely be hard.

It's entirely possible that if you have enough pull, you could have ordered a manual 16M...its certainly physically possible to use the manual gearbox there.

Now I want a 16M just so I can convert it to manual...

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 14:51

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. If you had the pull and were willing to pay extra to have it done then it could be done since the base F430 came with the stick.

And a lot of the 16M buyers had purchased tons of cars from Ferrari since the 16M was a low run car and you had to be a prior customers to purchase it.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 14:53

Hey have you done any research on the 458 transmission failures?

I've tried but there are so many threads that's hard to get concrete info.

I can't tell if it only affected early cars or if any 458 is prone to it.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 14:59

Oh wow, no I didn't even know that was a thing...I will have to do some reading. This is the first I've heard of it.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 14:59

That would make a lot of sense...a buyer like that can pretty much get what he wants, including this.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 15:03

I didn't know until recently.

This is what I've found out so far:

*Early cars had transmission issues that Ferrari addressed by replacing the entire transmission!

*All model year cars could have issues that require repair, such as the car not being able to shift into specific gears (same as single clutch F1)

*The 458 challenge race cars had these same issues and required transmission repairs or replacement

*The harder the 458 is driven the higher the chance of transmission issues. And driving it on track may void your warranty.

*The GETRAG box is the same that was used on the AMG SLS, but Mercedes calibrated it to have slower shifts because they were worried about long term reliability.

*At the end of the day it's always safer to buy an older model that came with the stick!

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 15:10

Whaaaaat the hell. How did I not hear about this. I have to say I haven't seen any reports of this but I also haven't been looking. I was going to say, it's pretty much the same 'box that AMG used and those seem to be holding up well. I wonder how much additional wear happens with their shift calibration. You don't normally think of dual-clutch boxes as having hard lives, since they are so much smoother than the old single-clutch automated manuals. Clutches are much smaller, computers are better now, etc. So strange to hear about this. Should go poke around FChat...

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 15:14

I only found it when considering spending more on a 458. I looked for issues and found this one.

It would be cool to get the last N/A Dino but I just can't justify spending WAY more for a car that is more likely to grenade itself.

The most reliable Ferraris made after 2000 are the last of each category that you can get with the stick:

F430 6MT

599 6MT

612 6MT

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/07/2014 at 15:18

^Good point. 599s in particular seem to be bulletproof. Never really seen any real problems with them.

I gotta say though...if the rumors about the 458 facelift/successor (kind of like what they did with the Cali T) are true...a 458S convertible would be just pure sex and the last car of its kind maybe ever. I'd be willing to roll the dice on that if I could afford a 350k car haha

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/07/2014 at 15:23

Unfortunately they're not even rumors anymore. Top Gear just did a piece on the new turbo charged car. They said they got confirmation from someone in Ferrari.

I want a 458S Spider too, if they make one. But I wouldn't be able to afford it. And the front end is fugly anyways, haha

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/08/2014 at 14:21

Damn. I wonder if it will be an extensively revised 458 or a new car or just a facelift. I am excited to see what it is, it certainly will be a whole new level of performance for a street car.

I actually...kind of like the aero bits...I have a thing for that sort of stuff, I know that this isn't common haha.

I hope the V12s stay NA for a while...I will cry when they go away.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/08/2014 at 16:36

If the N/A V12 goes away then there is no God and we will all die of a massive plauge soon!

The government of Italy should threaten war with Brussels and Washington if emissions and fuel economy regs force Ferrari to ditch the N/A V12!!

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/08/2014 at 21:28

Basically my thoughts. I think if emissions laws somehow force Ferrari to give up the N/A V12 we need to go over there and do some liberating...although it might partly our fault :(

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/08/2014 at 21:40

You gave me an idea! Move Ferrari to Vatican City! And have the Pope issue a decree that the Italian N/A V12 is an instrument of God.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/08/2014 at 22:07

Oh my god...why didn't we think of this before. I see no problems with this plan...let's try to get the whole website on board.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
06/08/2014 at 22:13

good idea

I will become a Catholic for this goal

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
06/09/2014 at 11:43

Let me know how it goes...upside is Ferrari might like you better after you convert.

Captain_Spadaro > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
07/25/2014 at 15:37

Those are transversely mounted engines, though.

Captain_Spadaro > Road Magazine
07/25/2014 at 15:39

I think the more important question is: RWD or AWD? The head of AMG intimated at one of the major shows (New York, I think) this past auto show season that the C63 would follow the lead of the M3/4 and remain RWD only, which I would applaud.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Captain_Spadaro
07/25/2014 at 22:20

Yes, but that was beside the point.

JohnPlayerSpecial > Manuél Ferrari
08/01/2014 at 19:35

Y U NO DCT *MB?

KingKai > Road Magazine
08/14/2014 at 07:40

607 Edition. Do it.